Michael Sullivan joins the show to explore humanity’s fragile relationship with nature, the consequences of technological overreach, and why attempts to “play God” often backfire. They discuss the illusion of control, the dangers of manipulating complex systems, and how modern civilization hides the true costs of interfering with natural order. Michael breaks down how incentives, power structures, and centralized decision-making distort our understanding of risk. They explore ecological imbalance, moral responsibility, and the sobering reality that human beings are not separate from the systems they manipulate — we are embedded within them. Michael Sullivan is Co-Founder and Director at Blockware Intelligence, focusing on energy systems, Bitcoin mining, and the long-term consequences of human intervention. // GUEST // X: https://x.com/SullyMichaelvan // SPONSORS // Heart and Soil Supplements (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://heartandsoil.co/ Blockware Solutions: https://mining.blockwaresolutions.com Onramp: https://onrampbitcoin.com/?grsf=breedlove Performance Lab Supplements: https://www.performancelab.com/breedlove The Farm at Okefenokee: https://okefarm.com/ Club Orange: https://www.cluborange.org/ Efani — Protect Yourself From SIM Swaps: https://www.efani.com/breedlove // PRODUCTS I ENDORSE // Protect your mobile phone from SIM swap attacks: https://www.efani.com/breedlove Lineage Provisions (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://lineageprovisions.com/?ref=breedlove Colorado Craft Beef (use discount code BREEDLOVE): https://coloradocraftbeef.com/ Salt of the Earth Electrolytes: http://drinksote.com/breedlove Jawzrsize (code RobertBreedlove for 20% off): https://jawzrsize.com // UNLOCK THE WISDOM OF THE WORLD’S BEST NON-FICTION BOOKS // https://course.breedlove.io/ // SUBSCRIBE TO THE CLIPS CHANNEL // /@robertbreedloveclips2996 // TIMESTAMPS // 0:00 – WiM Episode Trailer 1:35 – Podcast Starts 9:12 – The Illusion of Human Control 18:48 – When Civilization Works Against Nature 25:06 – Heart and Soil Supplements 26:06 – Mine Bitcoin with Blockware Solutions 27:17 – Why Humans Overestimate Their Competence 36:33 – Energy Systems, Entropy & Fragility 46:30 – Onramp Bitcoin Custody 47:28 – Performance Lab Supplements 48:35 – Centralization, Complexity & Human Hubris 57:44 – What Happens When Systems Break 1:04:23 – The Farm at Okefenokee 1:05:29 – Natural Order vs Human Intervention 1:16:12 – Why Nature Always Wins 1:25:48 – Orange Club 1:26:53 – The Myth of “Being in Control” 1:38:10 – Humility, Wisdom & the Limits of Knowledge 1:50:02 – Efani: Protect Yourself From SIM Swaps 1:51:08 – Unlock the Wisdom of the Best Non-Fiction Books 1:52:11 – Outro // PODCAST // Podcast Website: https://whatismoneypodcast.com/ Apple Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast… Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/25LPvm8… RSS Feed: https://feeds.simplecast.com/MLdpYXYI // SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL // Bitcoin: 3D1gfxKZKMtfWaD1bkwiR6JsDzu6e9bZQ7 Sats via Strike: https://strike.me/breedlove22 PayPal: https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/RBreedlove Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/Robert-Br… // SOCIAL // Breedlove X: https://x.com/Breedlove22 WiM? X: https://x.com/WhatisMoneyShow LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/breedlove22 Instagram: https://instagram.com/breedlove_22 TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@robert_breedlove Substack: https://breedlove22.substack.com All My Work: https://linktr.ee/robertbreedlove #whatismoney #WiM #nature #complexity #philosophy #humility #systems